There's something about that bunny's face that makes me lol every tme I see it.

For you faggots who love that rainmeter shit, Plan 9 is the perfect OS.

LOOK AT THOSE FUCKING GRAPHS

I have truly become convinced that P9FBL is actually a long-term secret illuminati plot which will eventually bring about some kind of technopagan transhuman mutation.

and its gonna be OUR fault.

i assume this is the new thread because the last one is autosaging?

>>1985297
Excellent

I've been singing the praises of plan9 for years upon years.
These recurring plan9 threads fill me with joy.

>>1985295 here
Using Plan 9 has made me reconsider my position on 9wm.
It's not as bad as I thought.

i cant ping my gateway at work from within p9 :( so no intarnerts in plan9 for me till i get home

>>1985320

ping is a bad test with VM networking. not sure what you have going on, but the kind of packets ping uses are the least likely to survive the NAT. i have networking on p9 with no ping. how did you try to enable?

>>1985295

not NEARLY enough active.

pic related.

>>1985297
Oh my god I hope to hell this is true.

>>1985327
gateway is just a hub, so no nat. and no firewall on host machine.

I'm still having keyboard issues forwarding the X session for QEMU on my Linux box to my Macbook Pro (all the keys get shifted all over the fucking place), so this is going to have to wait until tomorrow.

Does anyone have a working full plan9 install that needs help with networking and wants to download software like a web browser? the bell labs repository is currently down for a day or two of maintenance (probably due to us creating much higher load than usual) -- but I have some stuff that you can install from inside your plan 9 machine on my sphericalharmony.com server. code to use to download and install to your plan 9 install (needs to be installed, not just running off live cd) upon request.

>>1985338

I don't think any of that matters, I think the way qemu does networking results in no ping packets making it through even if other network connections are fine. how did you try to activate networking inside plan 9 and did you test with somethig like hget?

why the hell would a virtual machine have trouble sending and recieving icmp packets?

Hey gaiz, I hates to be shittin' on yo threadz... BUT

NOW THAT LINUX SUPPORTS ALL OF THE PLAN9 RESOURCE SHARING, AND PLAN9INUSERSPACE IS SO SLICK, PLAN9 IS DEAD.

Pic related: Control type.

>You will set the register! To the correct value!
lol fortunes

someone slap up a mirror... fucken' 10kb/s from bells site

>>1985343
Oh fuck, you have pacman in there.
brb gonna try it myself

>>1985358

I would agree that the Plan9 kernel itself is not very advanced compared to the linux kernel, and that plan 9 from userspace is a very valid approach.

Could you provide a step-by-step tutorial for creating a plan9 equivalent environment in windows, linux, and os x using your methods? it would be great to ahve as many ways for people to connect this as possible

>>1985347
ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.1.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.1.54 255.255.255.0

i know its setting up the network cause i can then ping myself. and i know its not a security policy because, well, we have no security policy lol and thats the ip i use for my personal laptop.

so since i have to do it manually, (no dhcp) how can i set the dns servers?

>>1985359

thats not the right way to fortune spam. open acme. on a new line, type /bin - then right-click on it
find fortune in the list of commands
middle click on fortune
and again.
and again
and again
PROFIT!

>>1985358
explain how Plan9 from User Space is "so slick."

>>1985368
I'm glad to be finally understanding how some of this works.

>>1985373

check man ipconfig -- it should show you how, its easy i think.

>>1985378
how's virtualizing on that 1.5GHz Pentium-M laptop of yours?

>>1985374
Goddamn acme is fucking awesome.
Someone needs to port this shit to Linux

>>1985382
It's fine mostly.

ok plan 9 users some crucial stuff:

you need to do fshalt before you shut down your VM

you start out in a single unified namespace in your rio session. stuff that you do inside any given terminal may modify the namespace, but ONLY for that terminal and any subprocesses it launches! consequenly, if you have two terminals side by side, they may not actually share the same filesystem structure even though they are running on the same box

fucked? you say...but actually this is what lets plan 9 be amazing...because once the /9/grid is up you can have 3 different rio sessions going on at once on your screen, all connected to different segments of the grid and all using different namespaces...

hey /g/uise Im having problems exiting qemu when my mouse and keyboard are captured in the Plan9 window...

>>1985383
I completely disagree.
"ESC :wq RETURN" is like 52 times faster than "Highlight the word 'Put', then middle click, then highlight the word 'Exit', then middle click again."
Acme is a terrible editor.

>>1985405
press left alt + left ctrl

It will release your mouse

hget: too many errors with no progress no route

IF YOU ARE JUST STARTING OUT WITH PLAN 9 THIS IS THE FIRST THING TO READ:

http://www.quanstro.net/newbie-guide.pdf

explains the basics of rio window manager and acme and a few other things.

>>1985412
thank you

>>1985408

PROTIP: you dont have to highlight, just middle-click on 'put' and it executes. same with exit.

>>1985374

M I DOIN IT RITE?

>>1985421
It's still slower than the vim equivalent.

>>1985429

yeah but is vim also a multi window file manager, program launcher, and everything else that is integrated into acme?

>>1985443
emacs is

>>1985443
Uh... Yeah... It is...
At least it is if you compile it with all the optional shit enabled...

OH WOW SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE FUCKING WINDOWS 3.11 IS JUST NOW COMING OUT IN 2008.
BOY THIS IS SO IMPRESSIVE.

>>1985429

well, liking vim isn't a bad thing in the plan 9 world. just install it. pic related.

>>1985453
People who can't appreciate Plan 9 shouldn't be allowed in /g/.

>>1985453
It's been out for a long assed time. Really, it was ahead of its time and lots of its ideas are making their way into what we use now.

>>1985453

if you were actually paying attention and not trolling, the whole point of us installing plan 9 is to setup tons of cool networking/distributed computing shit, which is what the OS is designed for. everyone knows that plan 9 isn't supposed to replace your other desktop os.

>>1985455
Where can I get it?
I'm not able to connect to /n/sources right now.

>>1985483
just fucking google it
http://vmsplice.net/9vim.html

>>1985492
I did, but apparantly my Google-fu level isn't high enough. Guess I gotta crawl back into the dungeons and kill more rats.

Is it possible to enable prompt history and tab completion in rc?

how does one enable internet access in this bad boy?

>>1985519

couple ways. easiest long-term solution for standard user is just to enable it by editing /rc/bin/termrc and uncommenting two lines. there are several tutorials on how to do this in the thread archives on sphericalharmony

So, is my inability to get 9fs source working the result of something down at Bell Labs (since the ping and lookup tools appear to be handling DNS just peachy)?

why is there only cut and paste. where the fuck is copy?

why does rc not let me hit up to run previous commands?(actually i know why, but its retarded simple functionality that should already be there)

why, when i CUT and paste a previous command, then go back and edit the command, i then have to move the cursor to the end of the line before i hit enter? or else nothing after the cursor will be processed and instead dropped to the next prompt?(once again, i know why, but its fucking stupid that it does it)

>>1985551
Yup. I think all this traffic was too much for their servers.

what vm software should I use?

>>1985552
To do a former command again, just hit the middle mouse button, highlight the command and BAM. It's ran.

>>1985562
QEMU

>>1985552
"copy" == "snarf"

>>1985554
Well then how the fuck do I install one of those browsers?

>>1985552

copy is called 'snarf'

you just need to learn to use the interface, stuff is very different, and yes, its not all perfect and brilliant.

>>1985551

correct the bell labs sources repos are down for a day or two, i think they are doing maintenance because all of our use filled up the space on their hard drives.

>>1985587
first cd /usr/glenda/tmp

then follow these steps

22:00 <@mycroftiv> hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/abaco.tar.gz >abaco.tar.gz
22:00 <@mycroftiv> tar xzf abaco.tar.gz
22:00 <@mycroftiv> cd abaco
22:00 <@mycroftiv> mk
22:01 <@mycroftiv> cp passwd.6.font /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/
22:01 <@mycroftiv> mk install
22:01 <@mycroftiv> then to actually run it, you need to do:
22:01 <@mycroftiv> webcookies
22:01 <@mycroftiv> webfs
22:01 <@mycroftiv> abaco

9fs should be back up by thursday as well.

>>1985578

qemu, qemu-user, or qemu-softmmu (for gentoo)?

>>1985590
gawdamn. Thanks.

How does one make changes to screen color depth permanent?
I installed it at 1024x768x8, but I want it at 1024x768x24 every time I start up because 8-bit indexed color makes 4chan ugly.

>>1985607
For Gentoo, follow the guide on the Gentoo Wiki.
You want both QEMU and KQEMU.
It's a bit of a pain in the ass to build QEMU because it expects an older version of GCC.
Also, if you're on x86_64 (like me), you'll probably need to run it with "qemu-system-x86_64" instead of just "qemu"

>>1985617

you should be able to do it by adding that to glenda's /usr/lib/profile in the right place, I think. not totally sure of the best way to do it.

>>1985587

a faster browser is the links port with full image type support. i have that on my mini-mirror too. install like:

cd /usr/glenda/tmp
hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/links.tgz
tar xzf links.tgz
cd links-varfont
mk install

then just

links

to start, and pressing 'escape' after a few secs to bring up the menu

Another question:
Does Plan9 have something similar to a "which" command?
I tried running "man which" (lol Manwich) but that gave me nothing.
I need to find a script that's called from another script. All I know is that I can call this script from the terminal, but I cannot locate it for editing.
Help?

>>1985628
ah, links. Thanks mate.

>>1985647

i know there are various tools for finding files in plan9, the issue is complicated because of the fact that filesystem structure in plan9 is 'fluid' and not static, so the path to a particular file can vary wildly even for different applications running on the same system!

Would plan9 be able to work on my pentium-mmx? Are there certain instruction sets required for it?

>>1985647

So what are you trying to do in the first place? whats the name of what you are trying to find?

>>1985664
It runs on some pretty shitty hardware.

>>1985671
Interesting. Then the question would be how I would install it without the use of a virtual operating system present. I'm guessing there is no way?

>>1985667
I found it. It was in /bin/.
I feel like an idiot for not checking there first.

>>1985628
Verrah nahhs.

>>1985679
Boot the CD.
Choose install.
Follow the instructions.

It's easier than installing Windows.

I have a few other small applications downloadable and buildable from sphericalharmony's plan9 stuff

there is paint.tgz and pacman.tgz in addition to the browsers

cd /usr/glenda/tmp
hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/FOO.tgz >FOO.tgz
tar xzf FOO.tgz
cd FOO
mk install

notes: how to kill stuff you dont want running

to kill something in plan 9, you do kill NAME |rc
so if you want to kill the statistics:

kill stats |rc

kill the clock + glenda:

kill faces |rc

ps -a will list processes

if something gets stuck, find its name with ps -a and do

kill FOO |rc

if it doesnt die then, you can:

slay FOO |rc

pretty cool, huh?

GLONDO NEEDS YOUR SOUL

What's the status on ssh access into plan9?

>>1985690
I may bring my pentium mmx back into action then. Original it was intended only to work as a webserver, but now this sounds fucking badass, provided ssh works.

All the talk about plan9 is making me want to try it on my Debian. Shame it dosen't have modern drivers otherwise native plan9 would rock.

>>1985741

totally standard and normal, assuming you install the current port of openssh and know the right command to issue inside plan9 to start services and make them available.

in other words, we dont know exactly the right way to do stuff -- at least i dont -- but its all 'there' in the sense of we just need to learn.

i dont believe anyone has gotten networks to work i think its all just shoops cuz i've followed every bit of info and nothing works. dhcp and manual.

>>1986134
Have you considered the possibility you're a fucktard. Just asking.

>>1986134
check out man ipconfig
There will be 5 commands to get DCHP up and running, try those.

>>1986134

do you have standard residential internet service, dhcp from your router, etc?

what is your host os?

what exact steps have you followed?

Does anyone know how you can change the keyboard layout?

>>1986194
By cat-ing the relevant keyboard-map (found in /sys/lib/kbmap) into /dev/kbmap. Like, cat /sys/lib/kbmap/azerty > /dev/kbmap.
You can put this line at the end of your termrc so it will be executed at boot time.

>>1985741
Plan9 was not designed to be accessed with SSH. It's merely an UNIX legacy. You should use drawterm which uses the authentification and namespace facilites of Plan9 to connect to a Plan9 system from Linux, MacOS or Windows.
But don't ask me how to set the whole shit up, i'm still trying to figure that out.

>>1986234

ARGH ME TOO ALL THIS STUFF IS JUST DONE WITH A FEW COMMAND LINES BUT GOD THE MAN PAGES ARE WRITTEN FOR AN ALIEN BEING WITH FOURTEEN BRAINS

ok i took the time away from my gaemen to boot into arch

and apparently, the qemu for windows' network "card" is broken.

>>1986241
yeah this shit really makes me appreciate the gnu manpages even more

>>1986241
FYI, this is how Unix newbies feel. P9 is just another way of thinking.

>>1986234
but what about aes+blowfish+whirlpool cryptography and my 127 character unique pasword?

FUCK YES.

You know there's nothing quite like booting an entirely new OS and being mad at Tidus on it.

>>1985617
9fat:
acme /n/9fat/plan9.ini

Then change the vgasize line. If you have a mouse with scrollwheel you can also change the mouseport line to mouseport=ps2intellimouse to enable the scrollwheel.

>>1986273

Do you use Plan 9? Can you help us?

Please, this OS is so cool and we know it can do all this cool network stuff but we dont even know to setup simple directory filesharing with 9fs

exportfs -someoptions /path/to/directory
aux/listen1 -options tcp###

import -someoptions /path/to/the/export

is that about how it goes? how do you set the options?

>>1986301

Whoever you are, I think you know more about Plan 9 than anyone else I've seen posting here. I've spent the past week hardly sleeping while I try to get stuff figured out, some simple how-tos for setting up basic networking and stuff would be so insanely useful I can't even describe it.

We have tons of people downloading and installing and we are all just stumbling around blindly, amazed but confused.

>>1986321

And by 'networking' i mean using 9fs to connect machines to at least share files, im not expecting we can get a full grid setup with all services instantly, lots to learn, but dammit we are gonna get this figured out.

>>1986301
I love you.
I've been looking for this information for a couple days now.

I think all the people who really know how to use Plan 9 have all been clued into this and are watching all of our threads laughing at us floundering around trying to learn our plan 9 A-B-Cs.

>>1986379
you mean A-C-M-Es

taddam tsssh

\o/

there is nothing special about Plan9.

>>1986398
Who are you and why aren't you on the IRC channel right now?

>>1986400
cool story, bro

DRAWTERM HERO:

IRC CHANNEL:

#plan9chan on irc.freenode.net

PLEAAAAASE

Does anyone think it might be able to work with grub? And would it be worthwhile to get it running straight off some hardware?

>>1986418
Works with grub I think, I know it can work with the XP bootloader.